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Losing Keys on an autotrans snapshot

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MSanta
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Hi everyone,

I built a white flash into a snapshot. The snapshot will take white online then do the auto-trans built into the snapshot..
However, when I trigger it, the flash happens, but all my keyers are dropped during the transition. I tried to source hold keys, but the Keys still all drop. I'm stucking having to white flash clean to everything. :)

Has anyone built snapshots with the autotrans already in it or should i just make a macro where I can then have full control of my keyers?

any help, as always is surely appreciated!!
thanks

Mike

Rick Edwards
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[quote="MSanta"]John, and rick Thanks guys for the tips.. I agree the Xpthold button could cause a whole lotta extra on air screw ups if I dont forget to normalize it after using my whiteflash.. I built it as a timeline now, and it works fine... I just wanted to use the snapshot cause so i didnt have to burn an effect # and keyframes.. I like to keep my flexi pad always on snapshot mode, so I'd easily have the whiteflash accessable in the panel, instead of having to change to macro or shotbox mode and then trigger it.. haha techniques to add to lazyiness :) i love it.. thanks again!! Mike[/quote] Don't forget that the SHOTBOX button on the flexipad is the same as the main shotbox button. You could put your whiteflash effect as a shotbox then just press the shotbox button on the flexipad to execute then, with one buttonpress, go back to SNAPSHOT mode on the flexipad. RE
phil moss
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Mike Why not use a color background transition with the transition mode single on page 7334.1 and the color set to white Phil
MSanta
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John, and rick Thanks guys for the tips.. I agree the Xpthold button could cause a whole lotta extra on air screw ups if I dont forget to normalize it after using my whiteflash.. I built it as a timeline now, and it works fine... I just wanted to use the snapshot cause so i didnt have to burn an effect # and keyframes.. I like to keep my flexi pad always on snapshot mode, so I'd easily have the whiteflash accessable in the panel, instead of having to change to macro or shotbox mode and then trigger it.. haha techniques to add to lazyiness :) i love it.. thanks again!! Mike
Michael Ser
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[quote="MSanta"]Hi everyone, I built a white flash into a snapshot. The snapshot will take white online then do the auto-trans built into the snapshot.. However, when I trigger it, the flash happens, but all my keyers are dropped during the transition. I tried to source hold keys, but the Keys still all drop. I'm stucking having to white flash clean to everything. :) Has anyone built snapshots with the autotrans already in it or should i just make a macro where I can then have full control of my keyers? any help, as always is surely appreciated!! thanks Mike[/quote] Mike, Just a thought: What if you keyed white (using itself as a key signal) on your most prioritized key over everything instead of taking it, then undercut of the next source occurs as white is keyed, hold one frame, then auto-trans the key off? You'd want to preset your next transition, then when you trigger the timeline or macro, white would key, the undercut would occur, then the key would dissolve off, revealing your next source with or without keys. Just treat white as you would a profile transition. I don't know Sony very well (just a lurking newbie on the forum), so I'm not sure what flexibility or limitations you're dealing with, just thought I'd throw out another approach...Just an idea... Mike Ser
Rick Edwards
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[quote="JohnHowardSC"]Mike, I've never used the snapshots to perform a transition like that but on the 8k maybe one option is to build your whiteflash as a timeline effect with the trajectory of all the keyers involved turned off. That way the switcher will ignore the state of the keyers when you run the effect. If the keyer is on it stays on, if it's off it stays off. Pretty cool function. Then you could macro the recall and run the TL however you'd like. Just my first thought - I am still a relative newbie with the 8k. There are many in here who are much more experienced than I and who may have better solutions. Good luck! John[/quote] You could also go to menu page 7335 and set the XPT HOLD MODE to "KEY DISABLE WITH STATUS". IF you press the XPT HOLD button next to the key row it will force the switcher to ignore the key AND its on/off status during any recall (snapshot, effect or shotbox). WARNING - THERE ARE CONSQUENCES TO DOING THIS!!!!! In any mode other than XPT HOLD (i.e. KEY DISABLE or KEY DISABLE WITH STATUS) the switcher will do exactly what you're telling it to do.... ALL aspects of a keyer will no longer be recalled (including shadows, clip, DME ASSIGNMENT, etc). So if you use this cool feature, know what you're getting into. Personally, I agree with John.... just do a timeline or you could also easily use a macro and avoid the whole thing... RE
JohnHowardSC
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Mike, I've never used the snapshots to perform a transition like that but on the 8k maybe one option is to build your whiteflash as a timeline effect with the trajectory of all the keyers involved turned off. That way the switcher will ignore the state of the keyers when you run the effect. If the keyer is on it stays on, if it's off it stays off. Pretty cool function. Then you could macro the recall and run the TL however you'd like. Just my first thought - I am still a relative newbie with the 8k. There are many in here who are much more experienced than I and who may have better solutions. Good luck! John
John Howard Independent Technical Director Columbia, SC
MSanta
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Hi John, sorry, i forgot to meantion the switcher model.. MVS8000a HD... im using software version 5.12 thanks mike
JohnHowardSC
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Mike, what model of the SONY are you on?
John Howard Independent Technical Director Columbia, SC