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Recent phenomena of shooting PIP flat screens for news

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News9TD
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Our station GM has been wow'd by the likes of CNN and Fox and sees them shooting flat screens with 3-4 different images in them.

Wondering for the cable network news TDs out there if it's all done out of an AUX? Or do they make you dissolve within? Seems like it would be terribly confusing. Especially when you see them cutting in interview in the one screen, with a camera shooting that screen outside. Then add all the gfx on top of it. I thought we were close to being maxed out now.

Wonder if any of the network guys have any thoughts or tricks of the trade to execute this cleanly?

Personally just watching at home, I know many of the images looked washed out, and the monitor and cameras rarely match.

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Don't worry Bill... it'll all be better in the new building
Bill D
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[quote="News9TD"]Our station GM has been wow'd by the likes of CNN and Fox and sees them shooting flat screens with 3-4 different images in them.[/quote] Amazing how producers come up with stuff. Here is a great story from cable news. High level exceutive. "ohh CNN has a 6 box, with a hurricane radar sweep, and blah blah blah. How can we do that? Management : Lets have a meeting to discuss, how we can do this TD's.. "You can't we only have a 4 channel DVEous, oh and by the way we get a discount on Sony switchers, perhaps an upgrade?" Hahahahah, everyone has a good laugh later in the meeting it is decided to burn a control room and a few channels of DVEous to add into the mix, after 16 patch cords later, signal gets into main control room for use. Hours later a graphics is made, effect is built, emails sent to all the various departments about this sensational new effect.. by now it is way after 6pm, primetime would never use such nonsense. They want it ready for the morning. 9am.. 6 box airs once. VP of network calls control room and says 'What the hell was that, don't ever do that again" Effect dies... Can't make this stuff up.. :) I know unrelated to the topic..
Rick Edwards
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[quote="News9TD"]Our station GM has been wow'd by the likes of CNN and Fox and sees them shooting flat screens with 3-4 different images in them. Wondering for the cable network news TDs out there if it's all done out of an AUX? Or do they make you dissolve within? Seems like it would be terribly confusing. Especially when you see them cutting in interview in the one screen, with a camera shooting that screen outside. Then add all the gfx on top of it. I thought we were close to being maxed out now. Wonder if any of the network guys have any thoughts or tricks of the trade to execute this cleanly? Personally just watching at home, I know many of the images looked washed out, and the monitor and cameras rarely match.[/quote] You'd vertainly want to use a feature like Sony's Multi-PGM II, which gives you a secondary A/B bus and keyers out of each M/E so you could feed the individual monitors without tieing up an entire M/E bank. But that's the easy stuff. As mentioned earlier, a lot of shows use two switchers. RE
AJR
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Hey News9... any shows in particular? If you're talking about something like The Situation Room on CNN, that show actually ties up 2 control rooms. One TD actually switches the show and another TD is responsible for feeding the monitor wall. A lot of places are using multi-image processors (a Miranda Kaleido is an example) that allow you to take multiple video sources and adjust their size/positioning, and output that as a single video signal. In theory it can be used for anything (monitor feeds out on the floor, monitor walls out on the floor, monitor walls in the control room). I work at MSNBC and we feed plenty of monitors and have done plenty of wiz-bang stuff with them. Sometimes we have to dissolve in the monitor (though usually not). We've also had to do DDR transitions in the monitors to wipe from one item to the next (though not lately). If we do, we have to burn an M/E to do it so we have to plan accordingly. My only advice is to keep track of what you're feeding where. Always have the generic item you feed to the monitor in your back pocket. Just like anything else, know what you can and can't do going to the monitor graphic and coming off the monitor graphic. Hope it helps some... -Allan