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Basica Kalypso Questions

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Clint Hendricks
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Hey Guys,

Sorry to bug everyone with some basic Kalypso questions - but I would really appreciate it if someone wouldn't mind helping me out.

My new station is moving to a Kalypso [classic I believe - non HD] v14 for current software - in a few months. I am coming off of a Sony 7350 so I am new to the GV / Kalypso world.

I am trying to determine 2 main things.

1) Is it possible to give emems short alpha descriptions - either in the file name or somewhere else.
For example to save Emem 89 with description 5pm Open....if it is a timeline transition to your 5pm open....... Emem 92 Dlbx - [double box] etc..... as you can with Sony Snapshots and Effects????

This is going to be extremely helpful as the DDR we are using only shows the clip id when it is cued and does not show the name of the clip....

2) Could someone give a brief description of the timeline they use for DDR undercut transitions.
We are planning on controling the Chyron Xclyps through PBUS.
We have this functionality working.... we are going to have the xclyps be k3 on M/E 4...pgm/pvw.

I have built basic timelines that will recall and play the clip - but am looking on the specific workarounds needed to allow the K3 to be turned on without affecting the state of other keyers / transition selections etc....

So that we can start the transition clean.....and then have the "undercut/auto trans" transition to the source in preview with any number of selected keys for cgs. With the sony we had to accomplish this with a gpi loopback.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Clint

reccles
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Brad, Where do you get such a poster? I would LOVE to have somthing like that but I'm sure my wife wouldn't think to much of it.
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[quote="Clint Hendricks"]1) Is it possible to give emems short alpha descriptions - either in the file name or somewhere else.[/quote] I have a full size Kalypso poster on my wall (OK, sad, I know) and the E-Mem display shows names. Clearly it was in the original design (or at least in the mind of the marketing people). As the rate of Kalypso updates has slowed to a trickle, it looks less likely that this and other promised features will eventuate. Perhaps someone from Thomson who knows will enlighten us. brad
Clint Hendricks
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Looks like Pbus it is for us with the Kalypso - I know sony does VDCP....but no such luck with GV. The one nice feature of the Xclyps Pbus is that it allows the entire Pbus registers to be saved and loaded to different file names - so each user can save his/her pbus register list and recall it before their show. Now only if it would hilite the clip or give its name/description when the switcher initiated a recall....right now all you get is the id number in the channel window......and no way to name an e-mem with a descriptive name.......I miss sony......aprisa vcs.....and thunder! -Clint
Bob Ennis
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Kalypso does VDRCS, a proprietary protocol. I'm pretty sure that SONY does VDCP...I think I recall seeing that as one of the control choices. PBus can still be a good way to control the Xclyps, although if you've got multiple users and/or multiple shows you'll have to remember that if one user changes a PBus effect recall that is already associated with one switcher register, it'll be changed for the other users - the clip recall is stored in the Xclyps, not the switcher. It's just something to watch out for & means that all of the users need to coordinate.

Bob Ennis

Bill D
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[quote="Ed Collins"]Clint: Machine control is a great way to go so you can get away from P-bus. The Kalypso, however, doesn't support Louth. It does support the following protocols: BVW, Odetics and the GVG protocols: Amp Serial and AMP Ethernet. You'll have to check with your Chyron manual and/or sales rep to see what protocols they support. Ed[/quote] Ed I know you would know, but I really thought VDCP louth was one of the choices the kalypso could do, guess not, Kind of weird, Sony only does louth, GVG has a lot of choices, and I think Kahuna does pretty much all of them including AMP and Louth. Then you have DDR's that are all over the place, weird that Xclips being new only does VDCP. Not sure why manufactures just pick one or two, I think the K-2 Profiles will do AMP and Louth, Thunder does a bunch, nexio's I think only do odetics? Not sure
Clint Hendricks
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Ed: Xclyps only supports VDCP, Probel, and Pbus [actually a lot of stations had to beg them to add Pbus when other protocols weren't supported] Looks like Pbus it is.... I am just worried about being able to verify the correctly clip is loaded... I came from an environment where the DDR hilited the selected clip in the "database" window so you could see the name of the clip that was cued - and the Sony 7350 showed the effect that was called up with the number and a brief descript. so again you could verify you called up the correct animation - 5pm open - Follow up - etc..... Thanks for all the tips, Clint
Ed Collins
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Clint: Machine control is a great way to go so you can get away from P-bus. The Kalypso, however, doesn't support Louth. It does support the following protocols: BVW, Odetics and the GVG protocols: Amp Serial and AMP Ethernet. You'll have to check with your Chyron manual and/or sales rep to see what protocols they support. Ed
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Clint Hendricks
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Thanks for the input guys i think we will probably be doing a combo of macros and timelines - etc....... the idea of moving the display to a less used m/e sounds like a plan - we will have to see how things go as we move forward. Thanks again for the info and ideas! -Clint
Bill D
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Clint, Another thing to look at is controlling Xclips via machine control rather then P-bus. I believe the Xlips and Kalypso will both do machine control via Louth. So for each channel you have send it serial control cable or ethernet for all channels if Xclips supports it. Getting away from P-bus is very nice if possible. A lot easier to build stuff, I used similiar setup with a GVG turbo and Kalypso and I really like how it worked. As Rick mentioned about the macro names above, rather then losing source names displays on pgm/pst, you can assign another key bus as macro's and then lose the display names on a less used ME which is a little more desirable then pgm/pst.
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[quote="Clint Hendricks"]Hey Guys, Sorry to bug everyone with some basic Kalypso questions - but I would really appreciate it if someone wouldn't mind helping me out. My new station is moving to a Kalypso [classic I believe - non HD] v14 for current software - in a few months. I am coming off of a Sony 7350 so I am new to the GV / Kalypso world. I am trying to determine 2 main things. 1) Is it possible to give emems short alpha descriptions - either in the file name or somewhere else. For example to save Emem 89 with description 5pm Open....if it is a timeline transition to your 5pm open....... Emem 92 Dlbx - [double box] etc..... as you can with Sony Snapshots and Effects???? This is going to be extremely helpful as the DDR we are using only shows the clip id when it is cued and does not show the name of the clip.... 2) Could someone give a brief description of the timeline they use for DDR undercut transitions. We are planning on controling the Chyron Xclyps through PBUS. We have this functionality working.... we are going to have the xclyps be k3 on M/E 4...pgm/pvw. I have built basic timelines that will recall and play the clip - but am looking on the specific workarounds needed to allow the K3 to be turned on without affecting the state of other keyers / transition selections etc.... So that we can start the transition clean.....and then have the "undercut/auto trans" transition to the source in preview with any number of selected keys for cgs. With the sony we had to accomplish this with a gpi loopback. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Clint[/quote] Hi Clint: No you can't name a emem however, you can create a Macro with that specific timeline or emem and label that. If you stay in the Macro enable and Show macro mode the macro labels will show up on the program/preset displays and you will have access to 64 of them. As for the timeline and affecting the other state of the keyers on M/E 4 - your going to be a little out of luck in that respect, however, you can create macros for those transitions which only affect what you want to by inserting those macros into a timeline and running your transitions that way. Hope that helps you a little. Regards, Rick.