Just remember if you want to do a loop you must be in the Odetics mode

I was thinking about running separate clips for each transition, but it seems that one clip is best. I guess if in BVW mode and having a lance the fundamentals are similar to a Fast Forward, hopefully minus the "DDR Faults", that might be the way to go using it for the first time. Thanks again, always on the lookout for tips and tricks. -Jonathan

[quote="Lou Delgresiano"]What Lance/Profile issues are there? I've yet to find any issues when running in Odetics. It's the only way to go.[/quote] I have used profile in odetics with a BUF controller w/o problems. We used to have problems in trucks with a Profile in odetics with a lance. It would cue to wrong place. Here is a thread But response from Bill Lance about 4 years ago was this, no idea if it ever changed 2) The Profile has a strange idiosyncracy (or a bug) when in Odetics. When it's in Odetics mode, the profile will add the starting time of the clip to the inpoint that the controller is asking for, and try to cue to that time. For example, if the clip starts at 1:00:00:00 and your intime on the controller is 1:00:00:00, the profile will try to cue to 2:00:00:00. It's bizarre, and no one at Tek has ever been able to explain to my why it does that, but it does. Since 2:00:00:00 is possibly a non-existent timecode, the profile just sits there, and doesn't cue. There are two ways around the problem: you can either re-stripe the clip in the profile so that it starts at 00:00:00:00, or you can switch the controller menu to use 'timer' mode instead of TC. This will circumvent the problem.

What Lance/Profile issues are there? I've yet to find any issues when running in Odetics. It's the only way to go.

Do you mean, like 10 transitions, 10 clips? You would have to run profile in odetics. I would then recommend running Kalypso in direct machine control to the profile instead of using the lance. Not only are there lance/profile issues with odetics, but would be a lot easier to build with direct control. Although it will not do loops in this mode. what you asked typically you need a lance or other controller in between or what I described above. Let me know how you want to use it?

Bill/Mike, Thanks for the input. One last question, If I do have separate clips, what would the learn process be to call up a different clip? For instance, if I have a loop and want to change the loop to another loop via an EMEM, how do you tell the profile that EMEM 75 is for loop A and EMEM 76 for Loop B. Thanks again for your help, Best, Jonathan

Like Bill said, laying everything in as 1 clip is the easiest way to go. And, you can record to only 1 channel but then recall the clip to both the fill and the matte channels (same clip name). But, I've had many occasions where a producer will ask you to add something else after you've already finished recording your clip and setting your cues. I have had problems trying to record at the end of a Profile clip in this situation, and you don't want to blow away what you've already loaded, so here's what I recommend you do if this situation comes up: First, find out the end timecode of the clip you've already recorded. For now let's say it starts at 1:00:00:00 and ends at 1:50:00:00. Next,eject all clips from the input (record) channel. Then hit record for the new clip (the elements the producer wants you to add). After you're finished recording go to the beginning of the clip, then click on the Videoclip menu and in the drop down menu select "stripe clip." A window will open in which you input timecode. Input something higher than 1:50:00:00, like 1:50:01:00. This will stripe a new timecode for the new clip. Now eject all clips. Then in the Videoclip menu select "edit clip list." A window will open where you will see all the available clips on the left side. Click on the 1st clip you recorded and add it to the clip list. Then do the same with the new clip you just recorded. After you click OK at the bottom the 2 clips will be loaded into the channel. Now, do the same for the 2nd channel to load the same clip list into the matte channel (you can actually save a clip list in the file menu once you've created it. It will allow for quicker recall later if you like). Now, as far as the Profile is concerned you have a "continuous" clip that you can shuttle through and create your cues as needed, both for original clip and the new clip. Another tip....if you want to edit any existing clip or try to attempt recording onto the end of it, you can make a copy of it first. Just minimize VDR Panel. Then open Media Manager. Look for your clip in the directory. Right click on it and select "duplicate." Another clip of the same name with a "_1" will be created. Load this and check that it's all there and then you're good to go for messing around with it. You'll still have the original to go back to if needed. Hope this helps. --Mike

There is a big difference, but if you have a lance you can just treat it like a FF, and lay in one long clip and use bvw mode on profile. There are some timecode bugs using a profile, lance and odetics I think. (atleast there used to be)