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Profile/Lance question

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andermik
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I've worked on a couple of different trucks with a Profile. And, I've read some posts here about using a Profile for TD effects. The question I have is this....
I worked on a truck recently where the Profile was already set in Odetics mode. The Lance was set to TC not TM. My cues worked perfectly and I was able to load different clips with my register recalls as you should with Odetics. Then I was in a different truck where the Profile was set to BVW, so I changed it to Odetics and kept the Lance in TC mode. I was not able to cue anything to timecode. If I switched to TM mode in the Lance then it worked OK. Problem was, I was trying to use a tape TC log for my cues. Any ideas what may have been set wrong either in the Lance or the Profile? Should it work this way?

thanks,
Mike

Bill Lance
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Mike - What I was suggesting was using the timer and shifting your cue times as required after you enter the numbers from your log. (You'd shift everything by the clip start timecode.) Otherwise, if you're using timecode mode without restriping the clip to start at zero, the timecode returned from the Profile won't match the cue times, and it won't look like it's cued. It will be very confusing, at best, and will probably cause some problems with things like outpoint recue, which look at the time coming back from the device. There really isn't a downside to using the timer - no slipping like a vtr, and I think you can set the timer to be whatever you want it to be by (while in timer mode on the TDC) typing in a time, pressing SET, then pressing TM. This causes the TDC to send a 'set timer' command and I think the Profile supports that command, although it's been a long time since I've worked with a Profile and I wouldn't swear to it. If you can do that, you can set the timer to match your log, and everything works fine. Bill
andermik
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Thanks Bill. That helps a lot! So, if I understand correctly...if the loaded clip starts at 1:00:00:00 TC, I could set an offset of -1:00:00:00. Then if I use a TC log to set my cues they will cue properly when the controller is set to TC, right? I'll try it next time I'm on a truck with a Profile.
Bill Lance
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Hi Mike, When the Profile is in Odetics mode, it does a strange thing with timecode. It adds the requested cue time (your inpoint in the controller) to the starting time of the clip and tries to cue to that result. In other words the timecode that you ask it to cue to is interpreted as a relative time (to the start of the clip), not as an absolute timecode. If your clip starts at 00:00:00:00, everything will work ok, but if it starts at any other time the Profile will cue to the wrong time. It does not do this in BVW mode, but in BVW mode you lose the clip store/recall capability, as you know. You can do one of two things to work in Odetics mode: either restripe the clips to start at 00:00:00:00 timecode, or run the TDC in 'TM' or timer mode. There really isn't any other way around it that I'm aware of. Nobody has ever been able to explain to me why Profile works this way. No other disks do, so far as I know. It's just a strange idiosyncracy of the Profile. By the way, there is an 'offset' feature in the TDC which allows you to shift all your inpoints and outpoints by a fixed time value, so if you have a TC log that doesn't start at zero, you could shift all your cues automatically after you enter them. That might save you considerable arithmetic. Info is in the manual. Hope that helps.... Bill