[quote="Unger"]Playing around the other day with different clean feed set ups and I have this question to ask... Is there a standard way of setting up the "Partition Boundry" and "Sec Level attatchment" when splitting PGM/PST. I'm buslinking PGM/PST to the utilities for source substitutions but ran into problems with this when assigning a level to control the Sec side. If I assigned "none" to the sec side the buslink worked fine but I had no control over the state of my keyers on that side. I may be chasing my own tail here but I'm trying to understand the whole "splitting" process.[/quote] Your set-up is the same as I use for this type of clean feed. Based on that, I see no reason to separate control of the two levels (PRI/SEC) on PGM/PST... so I just leave secondary control the same as primary....all my timelines talk to both sides. Bear in mind I have only needed to do this for the described simple clean feeds... fully clean, and one feed with replay animation only (no other animations). So only two timelines are actually built any different than normal...just add the extra keyer. Rich

Playing around the other day with different clean feed set ups and I have this question to ask... Is there a standard way of setting up the "Partition Boundry" and "Sec Level attatchment" when splitting PGM/PST. I'm buslinking PGM/PST to the utilities for source substitutions but ran into problems with this when assigning a level to control the Sec side. If I assigned "none" to the sec side the buslink worked fine but I had no control over the state of my keyers on that side. I may be chasing my own tail here but I'm trying to understand the whole "splitting" process. Reminder: I'm building a Clean feed with "replay only" and a Clean/Clean. I've split PGM/PST assigning key3 (FFWD for clean w/replay) to the "B" side and deselecting this key on the "D" side for my Clean/Clean. I've buslinked PGM/PST to the utilities substituting MEC,ME2C,ME1C

By moving the bug down to the DSK you open up a number of options: First of all, you don't need to split PP unless you are mixing to source substitutions (in which case you'd be operating with both Pri & Sec sides active as you transition. If one DSK is for the bug and a 2nd one for the FF (you didn't say what you're putting on the other 2 - but it doesn't really matter), the the PP bus can just run in PCF mode & you have 4 choices as you what keyers go to what client. Obviously when you move things like a bug up to an M/E, you're limited in the secondary feeds & cascades that can route from that M/E into other resources. As for bus linking, rather than go from PP to the PP Utilities, if you link from PP to an AUX bus & use that AUX to feed your 2nd client, then it can still substitute the B, C, or D sides of the M/E's when you put the M/E's A side on PGM. It doesn't play well with cascading M/E's though, which is why I suppose that you're splitting the PP bus right now. Or consider this: what if you didn't do any bus linking? Instead, have 1 AUX feed a 2nd client & a 2nd AUX feed a 3rd client. You could build a macro that switches both auxes to look at M/E 3's B & C sides respectively & attach that macro to the PP M/E 3 button. Do the same with M/E's 2 & 1. In theory, you could run all M/E's in PCF mode & use this technique to modify 4 different AUXes as the M/E's are selected on PGM. Separate macros could also be attached to individual crosspoint buttons to allow for multiple simultaneous source substitutions...something that the bus linking currently lacks. Again, cascading M/E's is a bit of an issue but a combination of bus linking (to allow the current M/E to add keys to a side of a re-entered M/E) coupled with macros might work. For example, if you split PP & had the secondary side UTIL 1 bus linked to the A side, you could add additional keys, do source substitutions, etc. But as long as you don't actually transition on the UTIL side, the SEC PVW (Util 2) could be switching via attached macros on PGM A (which would act as a type of bus link) to look at the C or D side of re-entered M/E's. Feed the 2nd & 3rd outputs of PP to AUX Buses & you will always have not only a visual indication of what's going on, but also a way of breaking away just by manually changing sources on the AUX buses. So without knowing all of your setup, perhaps a combination of splitting, bus linking, and macros (along with moving the bug down to a common area where it's easier to manipulate to the different feeds) may get you to what you're trying to accomplish - and get you that extra dough that you deserve!

I will be asking for additional coin for these extra feeds. I understand your clean feed set up Bob, but I still want to know if I'm buslinking PGMA and subing source ME3B (bug only) for ME3A how I can set up another PGM/PST buslink that subs ME3C (clean/clean) instead of ME3B. If this can't be done I will use the PCF's in PGM/PST and burn a DSK for the bug as well. Thanks Bob.

[quote="Unger"]I'm all good with building one of my clean feed requests (clean w/bug & replay only) by splitting PGM (keying the FF twice) & bus linking to PGM's Utility Buses replacing ME3B(PCF w/bug only),ME2C,ME1C when the MEA sides are selected. Here's my question. I also need to build another clean feed with replay only & no Bug! Since you can only buslink PGMA once I'm kind of lost.[/quote] As was mentioned in a similar posting, if you're using the PP A feed to the primary client (FF & Bug keyed), & the PP B feed (Bus linked, FF re-keyed), you still have the PP C & D feeds - these are Programmable Clean Feeds of the A & B feeds: C is a PCF of the A feed, so you could drop one of the keyers there, and D is a PCF of the B feed, so you could drop one of the keys there, too. Actually, unless you're doing source substitutions where you'd use bus linking there's really no reason to split the PP bus at all - you can use the PCF function to keep the same background sources, and just add or subtract keyers for each of the PP's 4 outputs. To add my 2 cents, I have to completly agree with Eric - I know it's becomming commonplace to switch 2 shows at once, but if you're doing a 3rd show too, I hope that your daily rate jumps accordingly...look at all the money that you're going to be saving them!

It's doable.... but that point is when I'd tell a client, "you want 3 different shows, you need to pay for more than just 1 TD."