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Dual Questions

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Tue, 02/17/2009 - 11:17
Zipp
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I did my first dual feed and I have a few questions about what I experienced. I was the Home Show TD on a Kalypso Dual.

1. Source patching - Does the primary switcher have sole control over the patching & naming of sources on BOTH sides? I was told that the 1 me panel can re-name & patch for their side only; I found this to not be true.

2. The 1ME panel couldn?t trigger the B channel of the FF with macros. We checked Lance connection, P-buss learn/recall enables. P-buss patching & assignment to 1ME panel. Both channels were lit on the Lance controller. Both channels were set to the same device # on switcher & Lance. The show loaded was one he used often on Duals. E-mems did the recall; Marcos performed the play function. Any ideas why this didn?t work? He ended up triggering the FF by hand and did a great job. Just a pain in the butt.

3. Question/Comment:
If a Laptop running a Kalypso menu with a different ENG file than the truck and it connects to the switcher, will it change the ENG file?

I ask because?While I was building on my side the EIC was trying to fix the 1ME Kalypso menu that was down. An errant ENG file was loaded (and no one knows how) and my least favorite error message followed. No Frame Com. This brought both switchers down due to changing the IP address with the new ENG file from another truck! After a 1st birthday & reload of the eng file we could start to build 2 hours to air. I believe GVG should remove the option to save the Engineering file with a show. This might have been the cause. In my opinion, do not save your show with an ENG file & be careful saving/loading your shows.

Other than that I found the Dual experience to be no big deal, LOL.
Thanks for any input.
Z

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Thu, 05/28/2009 - 02:54
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Dan Berger
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I've seen 1 Lance controller work, but not the other via P-Bus. A complete power down & power up of the Kalypso corrected the problem. I found it usually happens when trying to configure P-Bus, so most likely the EIC went from a full show, to a dual show, and the Kalypso/Lance got confused. --- Dan
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Sat, 02/21/2009 - 10:47
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Rick Tugman
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[quote="Zipp"]Thanks for all the replies. It was a clipstore[/quote] I suspected it was a ClipStore from your description of the problem. Sometimes the ClipStores come up "stupid". Don't ask me why, but you have to be very careful and be sure both channels are talking in the editor menu. It's probably best you let the engineers know that it's not responsive and let them set up the menus which involve making sure the device and drives are configured correctly for Video & Key. The ClipStore was not totally designed to do what it's doing, but it has adapted pretty well with software changes for compatibility and for what it does in HD the price was right for some companies. It would have been nice if Abekas could just do away with some of the software nonsense and allow the box to just boot up in the mode in which we use it, but like I said, it was actually designed to do other things. Good luck.
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Fri, 02/20/2009 - 22:59
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Zipp
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Thanks for all the replies. It was a clipstore Truck was 16HDX I was Suite 1 Surface A Visit side was Suite 2 Surface A-but my suite prefs we're applied to both suites
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Fri, 02/20/2009 - 22:26
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Scott Dailey
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What truck was this show on ?
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Wed, 02/18/2009 - 18:44
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Bob Ennis
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Running a 1-M/E panel shouldn't affect your ability to control devices - it'll depend if you're running it as a separate suite or as part of the same suite that the main panel is controlling. If it's the same suite but a different surface, then you'll have the same control set as the main panel; if it's a separate suite, then you'll need to set up independent prefs for control. If the main panel is firing off macros that successfully work for machine control and you're in the same suite, then your macros should also work. Just keep in mind that the small panel can access macros 1-12 (unshifted) & 51-62 (shifted) from the macro buttons. If the machine control macros are outside of these numbers then you can only access them through the menus, and it might appear that your panels isn't recalling macros. The menus normally only reflect the actions & state of the frame - manually changing a menu value or loading a file will change the frame, but just attaching a computer that's running the Menu-on-PC software won't normally load an ENG file that's on that PC. What COULD have caused the loss of comms could have been if your PC's IP address was the same as something else on the system...the switcher REALLY doesn't like that.

Bob Ennis

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Wed, 02/18/2009 - 18:06
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Rick Tugman
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Was it a Fast Forward or a ClipStore? If it was a ClipStore the problem may have been the ClipStore set up and not the Kalypso configuration.
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Wed, 02/18/2009 - 02:00
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Big O
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I've been successfully avoiding duals this season, but I've never had a problem with source patching and naming of sources in the past. The dual side should be able to patch and rename all they want, so long as it's not in the Engineering menu. The only thing I remember having to do from the home side is routing stuff into the still store. I don't know why you couldn't trigger the B channel, but did you try ganging it with the A side? That's really a more correct way of doing it, rather than using the same address. A laptop can only run Menu On PC, it can't run an Engineering file. It can be a different software version though, is that what you meant? As far as loading the wrong file, sorry, I don't agree with you there because if we get on a roll of dummyproofing a switcher where would we stop? They already put a protection, you have to be logged in as EIC. Unless you're on the same truck doing the same show all the time, most of us don't need to save the Engineering files anyway. I never do, in case of small .0.0.1 updates or hardware changes.
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