Frame Memory in MVS6000
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Hi, the station i work for here in Uruguay, south america, recently bought an MVS6000.
we are starting to configure everything.
i have a problem: i record a clip in the frame memory from a switcher input. i can play it ok.
when i turn off the switcher the clip or clips dissapear.
i can do a "backup" to de HDD in the file menu but i takes veeeery long.
im sure that is a setting that can make this... i need that the clips stay in the FM when the switcher starts up.
thank you all !
Diego
Hi
another question,
i want to re-entry the m/e1 clean feed output to a key on the same M/E and then apply a dme to that key adding "film" look.
in the mvs6000 i cant select that input on the same m/e, but on the other m/eS i can. answers?!!?
another: i cant do transition preview in any m/e. there is a setting to enable that function?
thanks!
Diego
I was thinking that Sony or whomever would start to utilize optional Frames to extend the FM recording time. Sony I don't believe sells a DDR, so adding a external storage frame that can be hooked into the Switcher and works like it's built in would be great. take same concept as a DME.
With 16 channels of FM in the new frame be nice if we could use that as the only DDR. Most stations/shows could get away with a small amount of storage (longer then the 2 minutes though). No idea if technology would still work with instant recall like the FM work now but seems to make sense from an operation and money making idea.
Bill -
Even with 16 channels of FM, you still only get the 2000 pages...apparently that number does not double.
Thank you all !
i thought that was something i was doing wrong, i really cant believe that the memory resets.
im going to try to purchase a firewire disc. in some manuals says that we have to contact our sony representative to buy the disk.
do you know if there is some particular specifications for the disk??
thank you all and i will be posting more questions because im getting inside the digital world (we were using a GVG 200 COMPOSITE!!!)
Diego
The LaCie drives work well, but depending on the amount of FM pages that you have, you may still be waiting awhile to do a save or reload. I use about 750 stills of various types on my shows, and it normally takes between 15-20 minutes to reload my stills from the FireWire drive.
In the newer software versions, there is a BACKUP/RESTORE to a VTR/server function. We were using this at NAB and were showing how it took less than a minute to save or reload 1000 frames. This function can be built as a macro, so that it can be done with one button...it's much faster than the FireWire Drive. However, there's a lot to be said for being able to walk away with all of your stills on a portable drive.
The only switchers that seem to have caught on to the idea of non-volatile storage is the ExtenDD series. The RAM recorder on the ExtenDD won't lose memory when power is shut down - that concept lives on in the European version of the Kayenne (the US version couldn't get the RAM recorder to operate properly & so they abandoned it in "favor" of using servers [which is actually something that can be hooked up to ANY switcher!])...even a simple capacitor like they used to use on the old 300's and 4000's to maintain memory would be a step up for Frame Memories - I agree with Hosko...can't figure out why no one has bothered to make the Frame Memories non-volatile...it's not that difficult.
Sorry - not really a Sony querstion. Bob - I have a Kayenne XL and I lose RAMrecorder when it is switched off. Is there a setting I missed? Cal.
Cal -
I sent you updated info on this issue from my sources in Europe - it was not too complimentary to the Nevada City design team so I don't want publically post it. Apparently the ability to do RAM backup has to do with the actual frame that this being used. If you are using a Kayenne with a Kayak frame then you cannot do RAM backup...but if the Kayenne is driving an ExtenDD frame (which is a cobfiguration sold in Europe) then you will find a connector for RAM backup power.
My understanding from my European friends is that there is some sort of setting for the RAM Recorder on the XL...I haven't had a chance to explore the settings on the XL, so I can't point you in the right direction. But I'll see if I can find out more info....
Thanks Bob - I posted the question in the GVG section. I will also try the local GVG service engineers. Cal
It really isn't an issue as to which drive is being used, but rather that of the FW interface or controller in the external HDD enclosure...
We use 1 TB LaCie HDDs in our studios and mobile... this generation of LaCie product has Hitachi drives in the enclosure. I purchased the same model this year, and it has a Toshiba drive inside.
I have a copy of a compatable/tested document that I can send you. Note that it is from 2 years ago, and it is specific to the 8K "A" and "G" series. It would be best to check with your Sony rep or dealer for a more up to date list...
This is one of the most frustrating parts of Sony's recent switcher lineup. God knows why they haven't moved to either magnetic drives in RAID or flash based storage so if you reset the frame you don't lose all your Frame Memories. Really how much would it cost to have 5 or even 10 SATA2 drives in a RAID setup?
Does the 6000 have the ability to backup and restore from a VTR/DDR like you can in version 8 of the 8000?? This would probably be your best bet if its available.
Diego ... I haven't switched on the MVS-6000, but I have been on the MVS-8000G. The Frame Memory is volatile memory, meaning that turning off the switcher frame will clear anything that you have loaded in the Frame Memory. You are correct that storing graphics to the internal HDD takes very long. There are a couple of other options for saving and restoring FMs, but I think that you'd have to create a macro that would load your FMs and clips after you boot-up the switcher.
I had the most luck with storing FMs to an external firewire drive. I'm not sure if the necessary firewire connection is included with the MVS-6000, though. The other thought would be to use the "Backup to VTR/DDR" option in the FM menu. Again, I don't think it would auto-load as you'd like it to, but both options would be very speedy.
Hope that helps...
Matt
The manual for the MVS-6000 does show a FM device connector on the rear chassis at the right hand side of board slot 6.
It is labled like the 8K and 9K, as iLINK, FM device... it is a FW400 or IEEE 1394 compliant.
I echo Matt's advice, that the easiest, and most inexpensive way is to back-up stills/clips to an ext. FW HDD.
good luck,
b.
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Bob,
I knew it was 2000 pages, no idea why I generalized 2 minutes. It is great that they expanded the channels. Now maybe they can look into extending memory and like was mentioned some sort of backup so when a frame is reset you don't have to reload everything.