[quote="Bill D"]I hope someone from GVG is reading this thread. It is amazing that Kalypso has been out so long and there still is no easy way to do a transition that doesn't care about the state of the keyers or next trans module. I believe the DD 35 has been able to do this for years. Bill[/quote] The Sony MVS/DVS has this feature as well. Very cool and helpful. RE

I finally got back on a Kalypso this week and tried this out. It can be done all within one ME without the need to cover the transition with a wipe downstream. It required two Emems and one Macro. First I selected Keyer 4 to key a slab to use as a wipe graphic. I used a Fill/Key combination. Using the still store positioner I positioned this still just off screen and learned an emem with only the still store level enabled for this position. Next, move the still off screen to the other side and learn a new emem. Now if you effects disslove between the two emems you can see it wipe back and forth. Next, write a Macro to call up the first emem, hit your wipe as next transition type, hit auto trans and hit effects dissolve to the next emem. The macro looks like this: (Record Macro) Select first emem for still selection and first position. select the appropriate still for Keyer 4 and set keyer priorities. (key 4 on top) Select wipe as the next transition type and set up the correct wipe parameters. Set the transition rate to match the effects dissolve rate (I used 30 frames) Insert a six field delay. (prevents previous keyer 4 selections from popping onscreen) Turn on Keyer 4 Insert a delay long enough to allow keyer 4 to be 100% opaque Select effects dissolve in the Emem panel and select the next emem. Press the auto transition button Insert a 30 frame delay to let the switcher execute the effect. Turn off keyer 4 Reset auto transition rates and wipe and keyer parameters if desired. (End Record) The switcher will now execute a wipe with any combination of the remaining keyers and/or the A/B background without regard to their state. It takes a little experimenting to get the wipe to match the still. Some of these steps can be deleted if you have emems that use the same wipe and keyer parameters and transition rates that you need for the effect. Happy punching, (not the director) Scott

Here is what I would do. Say I have the Bar Graphic on SS3 and SS4 (video/key pair), or just SS3 as a chromakey. On M/E 3 I would have only one keyframe. It would have the A and B source holds on and key 4 turned on, key 4 being SS3. I would build two keyframes on SSB (or wherever you store keyframes for SS3) that move the graphic from one side of the screen to the other using Still Store position. Then I would use a GPI loopback to trigger the wipe on M/E 3 at the appropriate time. This way, no matter what transition you have selected on M/E 3, it will wipe that transition... BG + K1, BG + K2, etc. The only trick to doing it this way is that you have to have a macro included in the timeline that turns off the M/E 3 and Macro delgates as soon as the effect is recalled on the master e-mem. This way you are only running keyframes on SSB and say Misc. 4 (or wherever you store your GPI keyframes).

I hope someone from GVG is reading this thread. It is amazing that Kalypso has been out so long and there still is no easy way to do a transition that doesn't care about the state of the keyers or next trans module. I believe the DD 35 has been able to do this for years. At this point I would think they could incorporate something that would allow you to do this using one ME and not and other hacks. Most news places don't switch in ME 3. But are forced to go up to ME's just to do a simple transition under a animation. I know there is already talk of a new GVG switcher hopefully this feature will make it into the new one whenever that comes to market years from now. thanks Bill

Dave, Dan, and all, Here's my hack for this, and it can be accomplished entirely within a timeline (however, it does need either a GPI reentry or an attached macro): Like Dave established, cut the show on M/E-3, and use P/P to key your bar wipe / animated girder / whatever. In M/E-3, preset wherever you want to go (with whatever keyers on or off you desire interlocked with BKGD). On one of the P/P keyers, key your bar. On a second keyer (with priority set to be under the animation), do a pattern key to wipe in M/E-3 PVW A underneath your animated bar. You've now just bar-wiped (or whatever transition) to M/E-3 PVW. M/E-3 PVW is on line. Once the effect is complete, and you've transitioned to M/E-3 PVW, now (using either a GPI loopback or an attached macro) issue an M/E-3 cut and lose the key of M/E-3 PVW on the same keyframe. Now, your effect is complete. As an added bonus, if you use M/E-3 clean for your clean feed, then the clean feed only gets a cut for the transtition, while your line cut gets your animated wipe. The advantage here is that the M/E-3 level is never part of this effect's timeline, so you can recall this transition without worrying about what keyers are out or in, and you can go from any combination of background & keyers to any combination. Hope this works for you as well as it's worked for me. --Steve

How about this, all in one ME: Let's work in ME3, 1st you would need to re-enter ME3 PRI into ME3 SEC, this can be accomplished by having an AUX as a source in the switcher, and then put ME3 into that AUX. In ME3 PRI have just your switcher wipe beteween sources. In ME3 SEC, take your re-entered ME3 PRI source, have key 4 delegated to that side, and create your bar effect in the TE with your cropped SS. Create a Macro to hit AUTO TRANS in ME3 PRI, and RUN on ME3 SEC. Take ME3 SEC (Shift ME3), hit your Macro, and within one ME you have your effect which you can wipe between any source, using any of 3 available keyers in ME3. Let us know how you end up accomplishing this. Have fun TD'ing! --- Dan

Sounds like what you're trying to build is a "golf wipe" or, as I have used it in tennis, a "court transition". This is more easily implemented if you're cutting the show on me3 re-entered on the pp bus. Build a master emem calling up the still and, keying it on me4 using a transform engine, move it across the screen making the move (say) 40 frames long. You should include the macro delegate level with the Auto Recall and insert a keyframe that fires the macro described below. As with PBus triggers, I like to insert an empty keyframe immediately after the trigger keyframe to make sure the switcher doesn't get hung up on that level. You will have to futz with the timing, but it's not too hard to get right (unless you have a razor thin graphic to hide the wipe). You may have to trigger the macro before you move the still - just add an extra keyframe at the start of the me4 timeline or use level start to delay that level. Assuming you're cutting the show on me3: you would probably have your me3 emems built with the next trans type set to mix. Your emems should have one of the wipe generators set up to match the angle of the still (if it's angled). You may have your auto trans set to the default 30 frames or maybe 10 frames if you like to use the main auto trans to insert keyers (hey, i know people who do this!). The macro should go something like this: {start recording macro} me3 [WIPE 1] me3 [TRANS RATE] me3 [AUTO TRANS] 4 0 [ENTER] {sets me 3 to perform 40 frame wipe} [AUTO TRANS] {performs the wipe} 42 frames {waits for wipe to finish!} me3 [MIX] me3 [TRANS RATE] me3 [AUTO TRANS] 3 0 [ENTER] {sets me 3 back the way it was} Note that, because the master emem does not include the me3 level, this does not affect what keyers are delegated for the next trans so you can set a transition from A with any combination of keyers to B with any other (or the same) combination of keyers. Because the wipe is downstream it covers it all. You may have to adjust path tensions either on the transform engine or on the me3 wipe to get the two to match. Once you've built the macro it's easier to adjust the me4 timeline to match the macro than to keep rebuilding the macro to match the still move. It would be easier if we had macro editing, but we don't, so we have to suck it up. Hope this helped. dave

apollo, what does the the first KF of the timeline do? Does it just recall the wipe, set the ME to wipe mode and crop ss3? KF2 then does the wipe? Are you using a transform engine to move the SS bar? I have maybe a handful of 250 shows under my belt, have no idea about the Ignore function. You can do it if you want to use several different timelines. One for each version of effect. I can think of seven different variants or possibilities. Bill's idea could work however I want to hear what the timeline does first.

Mike said: "That feature is now called source hold and can be found in the emem menu. Mike" Thanks for the reply. I am aware of source hold. I use it for this effect. What I want it the option of being able to select on the fly on the existing ME the option of wiping with key one and/or key 2 on the existing ME.

[quote="apollo1980"]I'm wondering if there is an ignore function on the Kalypso, or if there is some method of giving me the option of doing this timeline effect to a tape with key 1 and or 2. ( I know I could just have an ME as sources with or without keys, but I don't want to tie up the entire board if I can.) Any ideas? Thanks in advance.[/quote] Not sure why it doesn't exist but there is no 'State hold' Which is what you need to do what you want. Not only the state of what keyers you may be going with or without but also what the next trans module was learned at. We get around this on a 4K with GPI loopbacks. You can probably easily make a macro do the same. My macro building is not great, so I am sure there will be better solutions coming.. If you can insert a macro into a timeline, then your macro is simply auto trans in that ME to do the underwipe, and then insert that in a timeline. If they don't have that feature yet (werid b/c DD 35 does it) You can call up the emem manually or through a macro. Then you could set your ME for what you want your next trans to be (with key 2, etc), at that time during the show Then have a macro that hits auto trans to do the wipe. Not sure how your still is being moved, if it is a clip in the still store then you could have running that clip as part of the macro as well. If it is a transform engine in that ME, then I think that ME has to be part of the timeline, unless you can run a transform from a menu somehow. In which case you are back to the same problem. Hope that was somewhat helpful.. Bill

That feature is now called source hold and can be found in the emem menu. Mike