Curt, if you want to do it on the fly I believe that if you press and hold the button to select that keyer on the independent key transition section (the one that changes your softkeys to the key snapshots for that keyer) you can select a split key source for that keyer by just pressing the crosspoint for it on the key row on your m/e. I'm not in front of the switcher now, so this is just from memory and explained very poorly. sean

Curt, If I remember correctly, under key source for the designated keyer, you want to be on self. I think this will accomplish what you're trying to do. I'll have to play around with it tomorrow... -Allan

Rick, ( and others) Related to that....on the GVG 4000 I used to work on( and I assume Kalypso) you were able to do a "video" split key...as well as an Auto Select Split key. For instance...I have a SS from Thunder ( mapped as a fill/key pair to a button) that has a square white box in the middle of the screen..w/ black around it.....on the video side...but I have full raster white on the key side.. If I do an auto select split key...I only have my associated key signals to choose from to split with..in this ex. the key of that thunder SS channel. I would like to split my fill source with the video source of this SS channel..so that the small white box would cut the hole. I can't find a way to do this on the 8000..but I am sure there is a way.. I realize I could always map the SS fill side to a different button with the same vid source as the key, or build a snapshot that would set me up etc...but I would like to do this on the fly if need be. Am I missing a certain button push? I played around today but couldn't get it. Thank you Curt

[quote="Curt"][quote="bwatts"]don't get me wrong, love the fact of having 8 frame memories,w orked on several swithchers that didnt have any, so I'm extremely grateful but there have been a couple of times where we could've used 9-10, never more than that, and it was sporadic, usually when we had a full graphic and key channel tying up two of our available 8... so had to leave it open, and change on the fly...[/quote] hello, If the keysignal is full white, you could save a FM page by adjusting your Clip/Gain so that it's keysignal is now full white. Or...use a wipe pattern/key wipe pattern or background mask to "create" your own key. This would allow you to have one gfx on one page..and another on another page. ( ex..FM1 and FM2).. If the graphics weren't full screen, but two keyables that didn't overlap..you could do what I think they do in sports....have your gfx dept make you one gfx with both elements on there...then just use a series of keyer masks to key only the portion of the gfx. Or you could composite yourself and freeze. ex...lower third and an upper left...these could live on one gfx...saving you resources in the FM. Not sure if any of the above will work in your setup..but it might be a place to start. Happy Holidays. Curt[/quote] Also, you could also do a split key with a full field of white (usually found on crosspoints that dont' have a key signal of their own. that would save you from having to play with Clip & gain. RE

[quote="bwatts"]don't get me wrong, love the fact of having 8 frame memories,w orked on several swithchers that didnt have any, so I'm extremely grateful but there have been a couple of times where we could've used 9-10, never more than that, and it was sporadic, usually when we had a full graphic and key channel tying up two of our available 8... so had to leave it open, and change on the fly...[/quote] hello, If the keysignal is full white, you could save a FM page by adjusting your Clip/Gain so that it's keysignal is now full white. Or...use a wipe pattern/key wipe pattern or background mask to "create" your own key. This would allow you to have one gfx on one page..and another on another page. ( ex..FM1 and FM2).. If the graphics weren't full screen, but two keyables that didn't overlap..you could do what I think they do in sports....have your gfx dept make you one gfx with both elements on there...then just use a series of keyer masks to key only the portion of the gfx. Or you could composite yourself and freeze. ex...lower third and an upper left...these could live on one gfx...saving you resources in the FM. Not sure if any of the above will work in your setup..but it might be a place to start. Happy Holidays. Curt

don't get me wrong, love the fact of having 8 frame memories,w orked on several swithchers that didnt have any, so I'm extremely grateful but there have been a couple of times where we could've used 9-10, never more than that, and it was sporadic, usually when we had a full graphic and key channel tying up two of our available 8... so had to leave it open, and change on the fly...

"only" 8 frame memories. As opposed to what? 8 output channels seem to be the going number for higher-end switchers..... How many did you need? RE

Thanks for this post, its all I could think about last night instead of sleeping.. we have the same issue here, with the limitation of only 8 Frame Memories

User snapshots seemed to of worked like a charm. Many thks

The menu macros are nice but just a warning... there's a 10-15 frame delay between each event when you run a menu macro.

Toronto TD... What I do is have my "USER" regions defined as USER 1 being FM 1 & 2, USER 2 being FM 3 & 4, and so on. After that, I have set-up snapshots (and Master Snapshots) that recall the frame memories that I want for each of the shows that I do. The Master Snapshots are helpful as they work similar to a shotbox -- you can tie-in a number of different Snaps for different switcher regions to be part of a Master Snap (like snap 90 for ME1, Snap 7 for USER 1-4, and Snap 55 for DME 1-4), and I use those to set-up the whole switcher when I sit down for my shows. During the show, I usually leave the Frame Mem menu up, just incase I need to pull-up something quickly, or make a quick freeze. If you have a lot of Frame Mems to recall, I think that I'd go with the Snapshot approach. Also, on the 8000G, you could probably do a "menu macro" and make some of your FM recalls through a macro, too, but I haven't tried that yet. Hope that helps. I'm an 8000G user too, so if there is anything that I can help with, just let me know! Matt