[quote="AJR"][quote="Bill D"]Nothing like pissing off production people b/c you want to be first to try new software then you have problems.[/quote] To hell with production. They piss me off plenty. I want to return the favor :D[/quote] You've only been there 8 months !

[quote="Bill D"]Nothing like pissing off production people b/c you want to be first to try new software then you have problems.[/quote] To hell with production. They piss me off plenty. I want to return the favor :D

[quote="AJR"]I wonder how the whole snapshot/clip transition/specific keyer thing works if you have a XPT hold on the specific keyer and are running in Key Disable w/ Status mode.....[/quote] Good point, although selecting x-point holds during a show to me is not a great 'workaround'. Rather have flexibility to hit one button and be done not caring about states, etc. [quote="AJR"]Our plant was told by Sony that as soon as 7.2 is released, we will be notified. We email them frequently about it and we have been told it's not ready yet.[/quote] So who beta tests this software?, although can't remember Sony having issues with a new release might want to wait to see who is using it before jump up and be the first one, especially when you are on air all day. Nothing like pissing off production people b/c you want to be first to try new software then you have problems.

[quote="AJR"]Nothing is up on their FTP site (no release notes, no official software release). Our plant was told by Sony that as soon as 7.2 is released, we will be notified. We email them frequently about it and we have been told it's not ready yet.[/quote] I know that 7.21 is out, but we were advised to wait a little longer before installing the upgrade. As nice as "clip trans" sounds, I think that the macro route seems a bit more flexible (for my needs), but I'll have to try it when we do upgrade. You guys make a good point about using it to feed a transition to a set monitor, though ... most of our graphics and transitions need tally to fire (MOS controlled), so doing a transition in a monitor requires a bit more work ... this might be the solution. Is anyone out there using 7.2 or 7.21 yet with the embedded audio feature on the Frame Memory? Matt

Nothing is up on their FTP site (no release notes, no official software release). Our plant was told by Sony that as soon as 7.2 is released, we will be notified. We email them frequently about it and we have been told it's not ready yet.

Is 7.21 out now?? Anyone got the release notes?

I wonder how the whole snapshot/clip transition/specific keyer thing works if you have a XPT hold on the specific keyer and are running in Key Disable w/ Status mode.....

[quote="wink hackman"]In v 7.21 - out now - the M/E snapshot stores all the clip transition data, including the FM clip, key status etc. So add A/B bus xpt hold into the attributes, then it's a one-button recall on the flexipad, followed by auto trans. Much quicker to set up than the macro route, though you can make the macros more flexible - i.e. working with multiple key/bkgd transition layers.[/quote] Only thing bad about snapshot is that it cares about keyer status. Guess could build an effect that doesn't care about keyer status and do the same, think it depends on how you are using it. As a pgm/pst trans I think a one button macro that recalls and plays makes sense. If you are feeding a montor or a video box with an ME that needs a transition, the snapshot route seems to be a lot easier to build and use. thanks

In v 7.21 - out now - the M/E snapshot stores all the clip transition data, including the FM clip, key status etc. So add A/B bus xpt hold into the attributes, then it's a one-button recall on the flexipad, followed by auto trans. Much quicker to set up than the macro route, though you can make the macros more flexible - i.e. working with multiple key/bkgd transition layers.

[quote="Bob Ennis"][quote="Bill D"]I thought there would be a way where it would key automatically. This sounds like a cool feature if you need to really work at the offset or change the duration of the animation, but otherwise for me to press the nam, then make sure that FM is in a keyer, key it and hit auto trans is a lot.[/quote] I've been thinking about the issue of having to turn on the keyer, too. There has been talk since NAB of incorporating the keyer on/off as an automatic part of the transition. Until then, I've been experimenting with the exisiting functionality of attaching 2 macros to the lever arm transition...one to turn the keyer on & one to turn it off - although I guess just one that turns it on + a wait then an off would also work.[/quote] I think having it key automatically is a big deal, otherwise why go through the effort of pressing all of those buttons manually when a one buton macro on the current software makes it all possible now. I didn't see how it worked at NAB, but if you are assigning a clip and FM channel to that trans, then maybe the software will let you assign a keyer and a type of key, or a key snapshot that does both, and then turns that key on as part of the transition. How did the DDXtend handle this?

[quote="Bill D"]I thought there would be a way where it would key automatically. This sounds like a cool feature if you need to really work at the offset or change the duration of the animation, but otherwise for me to press the nam, then make sure that FM is in a keyer, key it and hit auto trans is a lot.[/quote] I've been thinking about the issue of having to turn on the keyer, too. There has been talk since NAB of incorporating the keyer on/off as an automatic part of the transition. Until then, I've been experimenting with the exisiting functionality of attaching 2 macros to the lever arm transition...one to turn the keyer on & one to turn it off - although I guess just one that turns it on + a wait then an off would also work.

[quote="Bob Ennis"]Bill - The advantage of the Clip Transition is that (a) the starting/end of the clip can be skewed to match the background transition - or more likely the background transition start/end time can be skewed to match the clip time: (b) changing the duration of the transition will change the length of the clip (with the caveat that playing back the clip in anything other than normal speed will lose the imbedded audio): (c) You can assign a clip transition to one of the Transition buttons (such as NAM or Super Mix), and pressing that button will call up the clip as well as set the background transition...meaning that different Transition buttons have instant access to different clips/transitions: (d) Unlike a macro, each M/E can get the same type of clip transition setup (although when we showed it we used different FM channels for different M/E's), so you're not restricted to doing transitions in one specific place...which could be a plus for some people. You will still need to key the Frame Mem (unless you use it as a PST COLOR MIX with the FM as the intermediate video...something that we showed works for some but not most animations) as part of the transition. Is it better than programming a macro to do the same thing? Maybe not for everybody, but I am starting to run out of macros...anything that frees up some macro memory is a plus in my book. And if you use 1 macro to recall animations & another to run (which is advantageous so that you're not "stuck" in the middle of a macro that's waiting for a TAKE command), the animations really need to be the same length for the same RUN command to do the undercut at the right time on every clip...each clip transition can be unique, so you can mix-and-match animations with transitions.[/quote] thanks for the info Bob, I thought there would be a way where it would key automatically. This sounds like a cool feature if you need to really work at the offset or change the duration of the animation, but otherwise for me to press the nam, then make sure that FM is in a keyer, key it and hit auto trans is a lot. I agree macros get eated up quickly. I have found with the FMems you can use one macro to recall, key and play, cut, etc. As you mentioned Bob this may be a better way for some but not others. As I do with DME wipes downstream I build a macro for a one button press to do the link and auto trans and put it back to mix. Not sure with clip trans whether I would change way I do it, still a cool feature either way.

Bill - I was under the impression that 7.2 would be out around late June or early July. But honestly I don't have the latest specifics about an actual release date. I agree with you - the macro timelines will be cool.

Bob, When is 7.2 going to finally be released? I thought it was supposed to be out by now. I know we're eagerly anticipating its arrival at my plant. There's two big features (macros in timelines, and clip transitions) that we could really use. Thanks, Allan

Bill - The advantage of the Clip Transition is that (a) the starting/end of the clip can be skewed to match the background transition - or more likely the background transition start/end time can be skewed to match the clip time: (b) changing the duration of the transition will change the length of the clip (with the caveat that playing back the clip in anything other than normal speed will lose the imbedded audio): (c) You can assign a clip transition to one of the Transition buttons (such as NAM or Super Mix), and pressing that button will call up the clip as well as set the background transition...meaning that different Transition buttons have instant access to different clips/transitions: (d) Unlike a macro, each M/E can get the same type of clip transition setup (although when we showed it we used different FM channels for different M/E's), so you're not restricted to doing transitions in one specific place...which could be a plus for some people. You will still need to key the Frame Mem (unless you use it as a PST COLOR MIX with the FM as the intermediate video...something that we showed works for some but not most animations) as part of the transition. Is it better than programming a macro to do the same thing? Maybe not for everybody, but I am starting to run out of macros...anything that frees up some macro memory is a plus in my book. And if you use 1 macro to recall animations & another to run (which is advantageous so that you're not "stuck" in the middle of a macro that's waiting for a TAKE command), the animations really need to be the same length for the same RUN command to do the undercut at the right time on every clip...each clip transition can be unique, so you can mix-and-match animations with transitions.