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Recording onto Fast Forwards...

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Dave Armini
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Lately on a few different trucks I've had some issues recording onto Fast Forwards. In BVW-75 mode, I'll cue it up (via the Lance controller) to a certain time code and expect (hope) it will record my stuff right at that time code. It almost never does these days. Sometimes it records the stuff to a completely different time code or sometimes I can't even find the stuff after I stop recording. Any help on this issue would be greatly appreciated.

- DA

tomkaltz
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Yeah Dave I had the same problem a couple times on that truck as well. I found I had to hit stop after hitting cue. Not sure why but I never had the issue again.
Steve Meyer
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Hi Bill, I'll definitely give some thought to a good workflow for multiple record decks...thanks for being open to suggestion :-) And, yes, those serial->USB adapters are a TD's friend. Best, -Steve
Bill Lance
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Hi Steve, Thanks very much for the good words re the TDC. I always appreciate feedback, especially if it's positive. Unfortunately, as of now the TDC is limited to one record channel. There's nothing fundemental preventing it from running two channels in record except for limitations for controlling/selecting the record channels on the panel. It's selected now by being the first one you press - it's tougher with two, and I wanted to try to make it clear (by the flashing tally) which one was the recorder. I'll think about how I might do it for the next version, and if you have any good suggestions I'd be happy to hear them. If I ever do another hardware platform I'd certainly include something better - thumb drive, or USB probably, at the control panel. (You can always put a serial/USB adapter on the existing unit and PRETEND it's USB.) What I'd really like to do is have the production switchers capture the cues in their emem storage, so you could save them with all your other stuff. thanks again, and best regards, Bill
Steve Meyer
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Hey Bill, I agree that auto-dub is a great feature (one of many) of the TDC-100. I see in the manual that we're limited to one record channel. Is there any way to slave a second record channel? This could be helpful in many situations. Also, are there any plans to include USB or Ethernet connectivity for cue management in future models? Thanks for a fantastic product, -Steve
Bill Lance
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Hey Guys, GlenW is correct in that the timecode input of the FFV should be dead-patched... NO timecode fed to the disk. If there's timecode there and you go into record (in BVW personality mode), the FFV will start recording at the time code present on its input when you hit record. If this is stray code it can be extremely confusing at best and catastrophic at worst. If there's not timecode present, the disk will start recording at the timecode where it's parked. You might also check out the 'auto-dub' feature of the TDC-100. This allows you to drop material in anywhere in the 24-hour code space, in a frame-accurate way. It's described in the TDC-100 manual, and works quite well (if I do say so myself.) Bill
GlenW
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Another step is to make sure tc is patched out. If you have any tc source going into the FF, then you will never know where your recording will end up. If you put it into EE, the time code should not move unless it is reading tc from another source.
Mike Cumbo
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About 15 months ago I had an issue where I tried to record material at 01:00:00:00 and the FF would not record there. Here is the response that was posted here: [quote]I've come across this issue when using the Lance to record in the FF running in BVW mode. If you cue a clip @ 00.01.00.00 and the press 'set' 01.00.00.00 'cue' the Lance shows the FF to be cued to the new TC. If you go directly into record, it will record beginning at the initial TC. The solution.... press 'set' 01.00.00.00 'cue'. Then, 'play', 'stop'. This will REALLY cue the FF to the new TC. I always press the 'rec' button alone afterwards (placing the FF into EE) to double check that the new TC stuck. Next 'rec+play' and you should be recording @ the new TC.[/quote] This came from J.J. Szokody. Not sure if it helps in your situation but it is the only thing close that I can think of. Does this help??
Dave Armini
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Thanks D9. Having time of day patched in or the deck you are recording from are both things I have done in the past.....with decent success I guess. Both can be a problem though if, for instance, your time of day tc or deck tc is at similar time codes as the stuff already on your drives. Then you could obviously blow out some of your existing stuff. I guess my main question is........Is there a reliable way to start recording onto the Fast Forward drives at, say 03:00:00:00 where you know you have hours worth of open space. I've been trying to do that lately and quite often when I press STOP on the Lance conroller the Fast Forward time code jumps to some other time code. It's just really frustrating to to be in RECORD and not know exactly what time code your stuff will end up at.
Michael Nice
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ask the truck engineer or tape to patch TC from the deck you are recording from into the fast forward. If it isn't, often times you can get free run time of day TC or it could be patched to some other deck. that may be what is causing the problem