Hmmm... I accidentally posted this in a similar question... so here it is again: I think this was mentioned before, &/or in part, but I do this all the time. And in fact, what I have done, the client just wants the replay effect on the "clean feed," not the other effects. - 1st, you have to assign P/P SEC to a level in your emem delegations. Assigning to P/P is fine, but if you want it broken out further, assign it to Misc 4, or wherever. - Split P/P, key 4 is assigned to the SEC side. - Bus link P/P A bus to P/P Util1 bus. - Bus link P/P B bus to P/P Util2 bus. - Change each ME's source definition in the bus linking menu (both P/P A&B) to the clean of each ME (ME1=ME1B, or C, or D, etc.) - P/P Key 3 & Key 4 are the FF. - Select both the PRI & SEC by holding down both buttons... this is important, and both buttons need to lit up all the time. - Create your timeline as usual, but when you key the FF, turn on both key 3&4 (also remember to turn on the delegation for P/P SEC in the master Emem, unless assigned to P/P). - If you have a telestrator, you'll need to assign that to either key1 or key2 with your usual source hold on, and the keyer on all the time (I use key 2, cause I still like to have Key1 have Duet 1 as a 'oh crap' keyer). Now P/P B has your clean feed with the FF effects, cuts & dissolves along with you everywhere. And if you don't need the FF on a specific effect, just don't turn on Key4. P/P D could then have your "all clean" (I also always have that set up), just turn off key 4 from P/P D output. The only caveat is when you enter say ME1 with keys turned on, into ME3... I know someone with have an answer to that. This sounds more difficult than it really is once you've done it. ENJOY! --- Dan

[quote="greg"]AJR, Bob, I needed just that in reverse, I needed the FF elements on the clean feed (or not so clean client feed) and I had to drop all other keys. but I see what you mean, I will also try this. greg[/quote] There's nothing that says that the A feed can't be the programmable clean feed, with the C feed having more keys than the A feed. We tend to think of the A feed as completly dirty, with all of the other feeds as clean derivitives of the A feed...with every feed being a PCF, there's no reason not to reverse that logic. Good luck with it!

AJR, Good Idea, I thought about that but didn't want to burn another keyer. I will try that next time. Bob, I needed just that in reverse, I needed the FF elements on the clean feed (or not so clean client feed) and I had to drop all other keys. but I see what you mean, I will also try this. greg

Even if you're splitting all of the M/E's into A & B sides, each side still has a programmable clean feed: The C feed is the PCF of the A side, and the D feed is the PCF feed of the B side. So if you're doing a FF key on the main PGM output which is in Split mode, you should still be able to strip this off on the PGM's C side and get your effect minus the FF without having to burn another keyer. I'd suggest using an AUX to feed your client & LINK this to the PGM bus...that way you can source-substitute when you jump on M/E's, if it's necessary (such as cut to a different camera on the AUX when you cut to the announcer's camera on PGM or have the AUX cut to M/E 3's C or D output when you put the A or B feed on line for the primary feed - thus being able to cascade clean feeds).

Greg, Assign a keyer to P/P B. Key the FF twice -- once on the primary side of P/P, once on the secondary side.

Greg, Couldn't you split the M/E's, bus link your pri A bus to your sec A bus and pri B bus to sec B bus? Set up substitutions so that you take M/E 1 B, M/E 2 B or M/E 3 B on your secondary side when you take M/E 1, 2 or 3 on your primary side. Double key your FF on key 3 and 4. Send key 4 to your sec side. Then just build all your master Emem's with PGM/PST and whatever controls your PGM/PST sec side (doesn't it default to MISC4?) enabled. Just make sure you keep source holds on your secondary A and B bus. I think this could work.

Mike, thats what I said clean with FF? Matt, that is what I tried I set up ME2 as CF and dropped the brand replay, I set up ME3 as CF so now I have both MEB outputs as clean. On program primary I have me3 to me2 with FF over. here is where I had the problem. I wanted to set up pgm to cut primary and secondary with secondary transition between ME3B and ME2B however in split mode I lose the ability to have the FF key on both outputs at the same time. In prog CF mode I have the ability to have the key on both outputs but lose the ability to cut both bkgs at the same time. still trying to figure this out.

Greg ... if you go to the M/E menu, you can enable "Prog CF" on an M/E by M/E basis. So you could set up your switcher so that the clean output contains only the keyer that you're using for your replay transitions. Matt

"Client wants clean feed with the exception of FF effects. " You mean clean with FF, right? Is Double Take on PGM/PST being used? If not, that is an option. ME3C to ME2C with a keyer. (If you are using the B outs for double take.) Not sure if you can use bus linking to cut to the FF (full screen) when the FF is triggered. What about having the timelines cut an AUX, CLN outs to FF to CLN replay? They won't accept a clean aux bus cut? Now imagine this on a switcher without Double Take.