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New Kahuna - question:

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jbs
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We're preparing for a new Kahuna. I've already joined the "kahuna club" and read the manual but wanted to post here first since I've gotten tons of good information out of the Sony switcher forum.

My first question involves the configuration of an M/E, as in reconfiguring the four outputs of a specific M/E. How quick can you do this on the fly? I've read that you can save a config in a "GMEM" but that affects all M/Es when you recall it - not just the one you want to reconfigure for a certain effect. The other option was the ability to reconfigure using a macro, so apparently Kahuna is good at macro-ing menu operations... BUT: How long does it take for a macro to execute an operation like that? Is it near instant like a snapshot or DMEM/GMEM would be? Could you make a macro to do that and attach it to the first keyframe of just a DMEM?

Also, does a macro remember a keyer's state - as in whether it is on or off - or does it only toggle a keyer on/off button either way?

More questions later, thanks!

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Sorry about the delay. I was in an area that did not have reliable email and web access. Don't worry about the questions on the forums. Everyone is there to help. Plus the Master Aux can be a little confusing at first. The first row of buttons has Auxes 1?16 in two groups of eight. Since you have a 3 M/E system that means that Auxes 1?12 will be actual Aux Bus outputs on the back of the frame. Auxes 13?16 will be internal Auxes that are good for internal routing or sub-routing. All the other buttons in the top 2 rows (Stores and M/E Outputs) are used as sources for the Aux Buses. The mnemonics in the middle of the panel will display the sources that are selected on the associated Aux Buses above the mnemonics. This means that the mnemonic display below the Aux 5 button will show what is on the output of Aux 5. This is confusing because the M/E Output buttons are in between the Aux Bus buttons and the mnemonics. Once you realize this, the confusion will disappear. The bottom 2 rows are for selecting your sources. Which sources will be determined by your Crosspoint Map or your Button Map. I normally apply the factory default to the User Config. Then I setup my Crosspoint Map as 1-to-1 and marry the fill and key sources together. Then I use my Button Maps to assign those crosspoints to buttons on the M/E Banks and the Aux panels. Cheers, -= Ken =-
jbs
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Thanks again Ken, I appreciate your quick responses. Once we get our 3 M/E Kahuna set up, commissioned and on air then I'll start asking questions over in the club forum - but right now I don't want to tie anyone up over there with my ignorance. I'm trying to learn from the manual and this forum, but of course the manual may not reflect the latest software. ANOTHER QUESTION - about the master aux panel (we have the full-size 3 m/e panel with it built-in): The aux panel's operation seems a little weird... it doesn't appear that all top/small buttons are destinations and all large/bottom buttons are source/crosspoints (well, THEY may be??). Do the small m/e output buttons and store buttons select SOURCES or DESTINATIONS? Also, its not clear what the mnemonics display... none of this is clear in the manual. The optional aux preview panels look straightforward but we're not getting any of those. How does this thing work - and since we have a 3 m/e with one DVE card, should we configure the switches differently than default? Thanks again.
kschneider
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You will need to use the Utility Bus or Buses on whichever M/E or M/Es you want to put on side skirts for the selected 4x3 source. This way you can preselect different graphics for the same source when used for different segments. If you always want the same graphic in the side skirts no matter which M/E you are using, then you need to select the same "side skirt source" on each M/E. Cheers, -= Ken =-
jbs
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Thanks again Ken. *EDIT* I think I found the answer to my question about format fusion on utility busses, but now I have a question about side flags/skirts: Do you have to tie up a utility bus on EACH M/E for a side skirt source or can it be just one utility bus anywhere on the switcher for all M/E side skirt sources?
kschneider
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I'm not sure what the name of the option is. It might be DVE Key Effects or something like that. Also, don't worry about anything with a macro being slow whether it's a GUI function or not. You'll be pleasantly surprised how fast it is. In fact, in some cases it can be too fast and you may need to add delay between keystrokes. Cheers, -= Ken =-
jbs
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Thanks for getting back so quick, Ken. I don't know if ours is spec-ed with that option but I kind of doubt it. Is there an official name for that line item? I can go look at the invoice next week - the switcher just arrived this afternoon. It probably won't be set up to play with until later next week though. As far as macroing a config menu change, I kind of figured it would be slow. On the Sony, doing more than one or two things in the GUI with a menu macro gets kind of slow and unreliable for a quick effect. The concept of GMEM-ing a config is familiar as thats pretty much what I do now, but the configs are also keyframe-able.
kschneider
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Hi j, A Resize Engine manipulates both the video and key signals. However, if you have the Resizer Effects option you can separately manipulate the video and key. Hopefully that helps. To elaborate on the previous issue, it was brought to my attention that you could also make a macro that just goes through the keystrokes of changing of the M/E Outputs or any of the other settings in the Config menus. Sometimes the simplest answers are the ones that get overlooked. :-) Cheers, -= Ken =-
jbs
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Thanks, Ken. New question - is it possible for a key resizer to manipulate a fill source ONLY and leave the key alone? That is if you were to do a split key... does the resize engine do its thing before the split or after?
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Hi j, It's the same speed if your macro calls up an Eng Config or your macro calls up a GMEM or you recall the GMEM manually. It's just that a macro reduces the recall down to one button push and I would rather recall a Eng Config instead of a GMEM that reconfigures my Engineering menu. A macro can have a manual pause that waits for you to hit the macro button again for the macro to continue. The 2-Box effect you describe is something I do quite a bit. Output 1 of the M/E is my PGM out and Output 4 is my PVW out. I use Output 2 for my A/B clean feed and Output 3 for my U1/U2 clean feed and reenter both of those into the same M/E with Button Maps so I can select them on Key 1 and 2 for my left and right boxes using the Resizers. Key 3 is my overlay and Key 4 is my full-screen background that hides my A/B Buses. This is all saved as a DMEM because my Eng Config is normally set to split the M/E that I use for my double box effect. I have a macro that recalls the DMEM to setup the double box effect and I go manual from there. I have the Preference for the Priority buttons on the panel set to do Utility Bus transistions. This way if I need to transition inside the right box I select the BKGD button and if I need to transition in the left box I select the PRIOR button and if I need to transition in both boxes at the same time (a rare occasion) I select both the PRIOR and BKGD buttons. Cheers, -= Ken =-
jbs
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Thanks Ken, that helped a lot! With Kahuna, is it just as fast for a macro to call up an Eng Config as it would be to call up a GMEM or would there be some more delay? I need to do a double box with undercut clip transition capability in each box on one M/E. I'd need output 3 to be clean a/b and output 4 to be clean u1/u2. Output 1 contains key 1 FULL as background, key 2 for dve ( a/b clean left and u1/u2 clean right) and key 3 for frames overlay. The hitch is I'd need specific macros to transition in either box I desire by assigning key 4 to either output 3 or 4 on the fly for the clip. How fast can I get key 4 reassigned? Can a macro have an indefinite pause that waits for further input to continue? Again, thanks!
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Hi j, Let me add a couple of things... If your macro is recalling a GMEM or DMEM it will remember the state of the keyer and will not be a toggle on/off. If you build the macro for the keyers that doesn't recall a DMEM or GMEM you can have the keyer state remembered or do it as a toggle. While you're recording your macro, if you use the key transition buttons on the panel or the "Cut" or "Auto" buttons in the key menu then the macro will toggle the key on and off. If you use the "On" or "Off" buttons in the key menu then the macro will remember the state of the keyer. This gives you the flexibility of controlling the keyers any way you need to do it. Also, a GMEM does not necessarily control ALL the M/Es. You can have a GMEM store only 1 M/E, a couple of M/Es or all 4 M/Es. This is determined by which M/E buttons on the numeric keypad you select when you store your GMEM. Reconfiguring the M/E Outputs in the Eng Config isn't hard to do. There are a number of ways you can do this quickly. The way I like to do it is to save an Eng Config for each M/E Output configuration that I need. These Eng Config files only have the Program Config sub-enable turned on so nothing else gets changed. Then I make macros to recall the Config I need for the situation. Of course I also have one to take me back to normal. The other way is to do the same thing using GMEMs. In this case you would not enable any of the M/Es but you would press the IO Config button on the numeric keypad and then select Eng Config on the menu screen. To make sure it only recalls the change in the M/E Outputs screen you go into Enables and turn off everything except Program Config. Again, don't forget to record a GMEM to take the Program Config back to normal. Cheers, -= Ken =-
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Hi, This will become apparent when you get your Kahuna but basically the Macro is a tool that enables you to do anything the switcher can do. The macro enables you to recall efffects, run timelines, operate external equipment etc.. basically anything the switcher can do can be put into a sequence of events inside a macro. The macro itself is only generated when you are in macro record mode and you perform a function that the switcher can recall, therefore if you want to recall a setup that includes the key states then this will be part of the macro or it could be all that the macro does. The status of the keyers is saved as either a snapshot, DMEM or GMEM and this can be recalled usign a macro. So the answer is yes the Macro will remember the key status on/off. You are able to delay each event to the exact time you require or you can put pauses in any event in the list you require.
jbs
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So is it correct then that a macro can NOT remember/record the on/off status of a keyer? Also, while editing macros, are you able to edit the exact time of the pause... and is there a "wait for input" pause? I was hoping to avoid use of keyframes since they might not ignore next transition status. Thanks, just trying to get a jump on things. We're on a Sony 8000a right now, and we won't have a lot of time between delivery and going on-air with Kahuna.
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Hi jbs, Mandy is correct in the fact that you can edit every entry in the macro so that you get the desired delay for that action, but alternatively there is a selection to use delays or not use delays. If you decide to turn of all delays the macro will function instantly. Therefore if you wanted to recall a GMEM then this happens instantly. What you would probably use the macro for was to recall a user config that changed the outputs to whatever the new config would be and again this is done instantly. You would then have another user config that changed the outputs back to the original status. The User configs can be recalled individually or as part of a GMEM, the GMEM's can include many other things that are all recalled instantly. The status of the keyer is either saves as a snapshot, DMEM or GMEM and these can be recalled in different ways. So the answer to your keyer question - you can recall settings that can either recall the keyer in an 'on' or 'off' state or recall it in preview - plus there are other sub levels available to the operator so that the memory recall does exactly what you want it too do. Hope this helps Trevor
Mandy
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One word about Kahuna Macros, when you learn a macro the Kahuna remembers the time taken to press each button so you spend a lot of time editing out all the delays. I can't remember if the Kahuna remembers key status or not. Mandy