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LED Monitor Labels

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Tyler Beckley
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I was on truck a couple weeks ago working with a Kalypso and they had LED monitor strips to label the wall. I absolutely love these and think they are great as it saves me time in getting set up...except...the engineer told me that the text that fed these strips was taken from the ENG setup....Meaning that I had to go in to the ENG setup and change the physical input name to reflect show names instead of truck names. ie. VTR 4 - AAA....EVS 1 - RED...ect. I tried to explain to this EIC that changing the names of physical inputs in the ENG setup was NOT a good idea. I lost.

So my question to all out there...the switcher uses the names that I assign in source patch to display them on the switcher LEDs...seems to me that this could be used for the LEDs on the monitor wall. Thoughts?

Rick Tugman
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[quote="EIC-Jeff"]Mike- No, I am not THAT Jeff. Rick knows which Jeff I am. [quote="Mike Cumbo"]Rick, I knew it Jeff Joslin, but I don't know who "EIC-Jeff" is. I thought it might be Joslin. Hope all is well with you. Have a safe Fall and Winter.[/quote] [/quote] Yes I do know who EIC-Jeff is! Hope all is well with you and yours Jeff! =)
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Mike- No, I am not THAT Jeff. Rick knows which Jeff I am. [quote="Mike Cumbo"]Rick, I knew it Jeff Joslin, but I don't know who "EIC-Jeff" is. I thought it might be Joslin. Hope all is well with you. Have a safe Fall and Winter.[/quote]
Brian Mirrlees
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We use the Image Video TSI 1000 boxes with Sony 8Ks in our studio facilities. We've added new sources to the plant, and future capacity hadn't been properly planned for by our former "design engineer" Image Video provided an update to "Tally Console 2" for us last Friday... we are now working on ver. 16 of this software. We have 16 Image UMDs in the wall... the names overide works well with these UMDs. Very easy and straight forward. The problem that we have is with quickly changing names to sources on the multi-viewers in the wall. Our plant uses the Leitch/Harris "Centrio" mulitviewer system and routers. It appears that the Image system is populated with the main Plant Router names and the Control room/Centrio router names and not the ENG names from the Sony.
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Rick, I knew it Jeff Joslin, but I don't know who "EIC-Jeff" is. I thought it might be Joslin. Hope all is well with you. Have a safe Fall and Winter.
Rick Tugman
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[quote="Mike Cumbo"]Jeff, are you the guy who wrote that "proprietary system"?[/quote] Mike that would be Jeff Joslin who wrote all that software
Mike Cumbo
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Jeff, are you the guy who wrote that "proprietary system"?
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[quote="Tyler Beckley"]I was on truck a couple weeks ago working with a Kalypso and they had LED monitor strips to label the wall. I absolutely love these and think they are great as it saves me time in getting set up...except...the engineer told me that the text that fed these strips was taken from the ENG setup....Meaning that I had to go in to the ENG setup and change the physical input name to reflect show names instead of truck names. ie. VTR 4 - AAA....EVS 1 - RED...ect. I tried to explain to this EIC that changing the names of physical inputs in the ENG setup was NOT a good idea. I lost. So my question to all out there...the switcher uses the names that I assign in source patch to display them on the switcher LEDs...seems to me that this could be used for the LEDs on the monitor wall. Thoughts?[/quote] Which truck?? Which tally system? If in fact it was an Image Video system, the EIC doesn't know his software very well. The Image Video system lets you "override" the Engineering Sources being generated by the Kalypso. It's not intuitive OR easy, but if that was the case the TD could do it..... ;-)> Most of the NEP trucks use a proprietary system that is so easy to use that the TD is in charge of labeling the wall. -Jeff
Bob Ennis
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When we first began talks about exporting serial tally data to devices such as UMD's, the question was brought up and discussed at length as to whether Engineering or User data should be used. When you look at the Source Patch menu, you see Engineering Names, Logical Names & Logical Nicknames. As was successfully argued by GVG's then Principal Engineer, the Engineering names are what the switcher knows the sources by - and these Engineering names are also known by the rest of the facility. Thus, "VTR-102" is a unique device which is known by the switcher, the router, the Patch Bay, etc. The reason for Logical Names was to allow the user to configure Engineering Names for show-specific purposes (such as the main replay machine being called "Red"). Logical Nicknames allowed the user to further customize these names so that they would make sense to them without affecting how the Director or Producer referred to the device (the user could thus label the crosspoint as "Red", but the LCD Source Display would show "Replay A" when "Red" was selected). However, in each case, it was "VT-102" that was utilized - every other incarnation of that name was soley for the convenience of the TD & those other names were internal to the Suite Pref of the switcher. So Source Patching was, as per the wishes of GV's Principal Engineer & agreed upon by the consulting user group, designed for the user - not necessarily for anyone else outside of the switcher panel. After all, would you want to drive UMD's by exporting (a) Engineering names; (b) Logical names; (c) Logical Nicknames; or (d) a combination of all of the above? Thus it would possibly be quite an undertaking to modify the current Kalypso software to support what you are asking. That's not to say that being able to modify serial tally data and the UMD's that are supported by that data wouldn't be incredibly helpful in many instances. The future crop of switchers may be closer to being able to have their software "tweaked" to manipulate serial tally data than are current switchers. As an alternative, it probably wouldn't take a computer genius to be able to write a simple software routine that does for UMD's what Source Patching does for the Kalypso switcher display - as an aftermarket product, something like this could be potentially lucrative [I want 2% of the gross, please :)].

Bob Ennis

Steve Meyer
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I haven't yet rolled up my sleeves and gotten into the "guts" of the Image Video software and hardware, but I was assisting in setting up a studio facility that had their Kalypso integrated with the Image Video system, and as you discovered, unfortunately the Image Video only took data from the Enginnering Source Definition menu's name field. After a long talk with the studio engineers, I convinced them to override the interconnect and just type static text into the displays. IME, the system works much better when the monitor wall is routable, and the router interacts with the Image Video system.