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Deko GPI keys Vision

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tvguy25
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Hey there...question about dsk. Our deko oper keys their own keys (come in on DSK 3). Problem is, when they do this the PVW monitor flashes to bring the key in and again when the key is taken out. Quite annoying...I think this can be changed but I cant figure out where the menu for this is...help??

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Mike Cumbo
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A little info would be nice. What switcher? What is the GPI programmed to do? I assume they use two GPI's, #1 select auto trans DSK3 On, the second turns the keyer OFF, correct? Does the GPI run a MACRO? What you are seeing may be normal preview source changing. It happens with certain timelines as well.

tvguy25
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Switcher is a Vision 4. Running on an MDX frame. It is one GPI that triggers key 3 on then off. I know that when you dissolve on and off you are going to get a flash...I get that...I guess my question is can you select a different pvw to look at that is upstream? Obviously it needs to be MLE 4. I tried this with the SRC button but it didnt work so well. I used this control room in the past with a Synergy 4 and was pretty sure (maybe not) that I was able to achieve what I am looking for. There are no customs involved in this at all.
Also, I have discovered that when the Deko oper takes the key out at the same time that I dissolve back to camera from tape...They cant be done at the exact time...its amazing how many time either I or the deko oper get caught having to dissolve (again) to finish their transition.

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Les
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I would check that your personality option for ISO MultiDSK is set to ON.  This will remove DSK 3 and 4 from the transition area.  The dedicated Keyer buttons will still work and this might fix the issue you are seeing.

tvguy25
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Hey Les....nope

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Les
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nope you don't have that personality turned enabled or it is enabled but you still get the Trans area being locked up while the transition is in progress on the DSK?  Do they have 4 Keyers on all MLEs or do they just have 4 Keyers on the PGM MLE?

tvguy25
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Les, I sent you an email

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tvguy25
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Its turned on but not working for me...Its an older Vision 4 ...only 4 keys on ME4...I was positive that I saw this work previously on the Synergy 4 that was here.

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Les
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what version of software?  That does not sound right to me.  with ISO DSK on KEY 3 and 4 (linear/luma only keyers on 2 keyer MLEs) should be excluded from the trans area and allow for a transition on them to not effect the trans area since you can no longer select them in the trans area (should throw up a warning saying they are not available on the monitor).

Bob Ennis
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I believe that Mike's right here...I don't know of any switcher that doesn't flash the key on PVW when a key is transitioned on or off at the keyer trans control - the PVW doesn't flash if the keyer is programmed as part of the main transition, but doing a transition at the keyer causes the flash on PVW.  If it happens when you push the keyer Auto Trans, then it'll happen when the deko triggers it.
You might be able to avoid this by not looking at true DSK PVW & just looking at the clean PVW...but this will bring up problems when YOU try to do background/keyer transitions & want to see where you're going.
Another solution would be for the deko to not trigger the Auto Trans & instead trigger the keyer CUT and then do an opacity change at the deko (a bit of of reprogramming of the READ button for the deko op).  Or, rather than having the deko trigger the Auto Trans, have it trigger either a snapshot, timeline, or macro that cuts the key & then ramps the opacity of the key to simulate a mix.  Some switchers are better than others at being able to isolate just the keyer without touching other parts of the M/E (eg. If you have a Kalypso this is much tougher to accomplish at the E-MEM level because even with source holds you won't have keyer state holds & thus you probably need to use a multi-step macro).

Bob Ennis