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Kalypso Tally Question , Split Mode

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Curt
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Hello,

 

I was on a Kalypso this past weekend and came across something interesting regarding tally.

I put M/E 1 into Split Mode

Primary had all keys 1-3

Secondary had key 4.

 

Secondary had key 4 over a camera lets say ( burning in a bug)

Primary had EVS keyed over a camera shot for billboards

 

Take primary to air...no problem, sources on Primary side tally correctly.

 

take secondary to air ( Shift + M/E 1) and the sources on my primary side tally, but the secondary side sources did not.

 

Is this a setup somwhere that I missed?   I looked in ENG under tally, but didn't see anything that would help. 

 

Apologize if this is a known issue/basic question.  I only find myself on a kalypso a few times a year. ( we have Sony 8000's in our facility), so feel free to tell me this was operator error!   I will be back on a Kalypso next weekend and can check it out again to make sure I didn't miss something.  It wasn't a huge deal, so I didn't spend too much time working on it. 

 

thank you

 

Curt

andermik
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I also ran into this on a couple of NEP trucks.  It is something in their tally software.  I had the issue during college basketball.  I split M/E 1 and put the bug with 2 clocks on the secondary side.  I key this on my camera M/E as the bug source.  That way if data fails (or there is none) I can easily put in the clocks.  On the primary side I have Cam 1 with the clocks for tape to record.  Any time I would key the bug camera 1 would get a tally because it was on the primary side.  The tally system just sees M/E 1 as being on-air because of keying the secondary side (in my case).  The work around in my situation was to re-input camera 1 into a second input and use that input on M/E 1.  MIght work for some of your situations, but likely not all.

Mark Williamson
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I too ran into this on SS-25 at the NBA Draft in 2009.  I talked to Joslin also and he said that it was something he missed in the software design and there wasn't an easy fix.  The problem was still there during the 2010 Draft.  It sounded like the software would need to be completely rewritten.

Mike Cumbo
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I had a situation this past winter where both sides of a split ME were tallying at the same time. I was using ME1 primary to create a fake bug, ME 1 secondary was cam1 with game DVEous, for tape.

 

Camera 1 always had a tally even, when the bug was keyed, though the second side wasn't on air. That was on SS4 or 5.

Curt
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HI John....

 

It was on ND4....I never brought it up to the EIC since it wasn't a big deal, so I don't want to make it sound like they couldn't fix it. EIC was very good, so i am sure he would have known what to do.

 

That was sort of my thought also...in that it was crossed somewhere..especially since I didn't see any tally mapping ( table where it could be cross patched) on the swr side.

 

Trying to think of a reason why it would be set this way.  essentially it seemed like the sec side was set to tally what was on the primary, w/ the secondary being disabled. 

 

thank you

Curt

John Howard
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Curt, that was exactly the truck on which I had the same issue back in January.  Thank you, Mike - these are all NEP trucks so this is very good information.  After my issue in January we re-tested tally flow in the lab and found no irregularities from that end.  Perhaps there is something in the formula of Mr. Joslin's "Magic Tally Powder" that doesn't like the Sec side of the Kalypso?  I'll drop him an email.

 

Thanks, guys.

-John  

Seth Madway
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This is indeed an issue related to the unique NEP tally software.  I first discovered it on SS-25 at the 2009 NFL Draft.  It was discussed with Jeff (Joslin) at the time, but I don't know if he ever attempted to do anything about it.  If you are in an NEP truck, there is nothing you can do in the Kalypso settings to fix the issue.

Curt
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Interesting...I am trying to think why you would have it set up this way..meaning perhaps someone asked to have the tally matrix adjusted.   Can't think of a reason why you would have the sec not have a tally on itself, but then tally something else, ie the primary.  

One thing I didn't check/notice was what the panel was doing.  I assume when sec was on air, the panel tallied on the sec side.. pri, on the pri side....just like if you had an m/e in normal mode online.  

 

One question I had...one "option" I saw when I looked quickly was in the tally menu where it had "M/E 1" for instance had the 4 pgm outs.  You could set it up to be primary, secondary etc for each output of the M/E I believe.    Is this  used for if you want to have a secondary output fire a different tally than the primary?    I assume Primary is on air, secondary is preset tally output, and maybe 2 others to show it is being recorded or something like that.. 

 

thanks

John Howard
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Curt,

Out of curiosity, what truck / facility did you happen to be in?  I have seen this happen randomly in a few trucks that use an external tally system where re-entries of partitioned M/Es seem to throw some of those systems off.  Image Video's tally systems, for example, appear to be stable but there are some that get "confused" from time to time.  If anyone else has seen this and can recall in what truck or facility it happened I would love to know.

 

John